Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UConn–Notre Dame rivalry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 00:43, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

UConn–Notre Dame rivalry

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Greetings. I couldn't find any reliable source in this article saying this rivalry exists. Also The New York Times reported there was an "absence of hostility" during the championship game on April 7. SusanLesch (talk) 00:47, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

• Keep per many articles such as "UConn vs. Notre Dame: Rivalry brings attention to sport" (Associated Press); "The secret behind UConn-ND rivalry", ESPN.com ("the best rivalry in recent years"); "UConn, Notre Dame bring lots of history to title showdown" (USA Today); and "UConn And Notre Dame Could Renew The Best Rivalry In Women’s Basketball In Tampa" (fivethirtyeight.com).--Arxiloxos (talk) 01:14, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Comment. Hello, Arxiloxos. Except none are about a rivalry that exists. I can't use the press as sources to improve the article because all of the facts of the matter seem to be something either from the past or between the lines. Are you sure that rivalry isn't just something to keep sports writers working? -SusanLesch (talk) 12:47, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Connecticut-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:30, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:30, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:30, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

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• Keep. Several other rivalries that existed in the past, like the Texas–Texas A&M football rivalry and the Kansas–Missouri rivalry have articles, and even though the Notre Dame-UConn rivalry isn't as fierce as it used to be, they still play each other and still get major media coverage. ~jcm 15:50, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

• Fair enough. I used the NYT as a reference and worded this in the past tense. -SusanLesch (talk) 12:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

• Comment If this article is kept, it should be moved to Connecticut–Notre Dame women's basketball rivalry, per Wikipedia standard naming conventions. There are no other sports discussed in the article outside of women's hoops. Ejgreen77 (talk) 22:24, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:36, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

• Keep. While not as fierce as two or three years ago since they no longer play in the same conference, this is arguably the premier rivalry in the sport. OK with a rename, but the article should certainly be kept. Billcasey905 (talk) 22:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
• Keep - This is one of only a handful of women's college basketball series that has received significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources -- as a rivalry -- sufficient to satisfy WP:NRIVALRY and WP:GNG. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

• Comment - After this AfD is closed, the article should be renamed in keeping with our standard sports rivalry naming practices per Ejgreen's comment above. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:20, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
• Question. Billcasey905 or Dirtlawyer1, is the current wording of the lead all right? Thank you in advance for your help. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• @SusanLesch: I tweaked the lead to make it more consistent with what we typically do for the football rivalry articles. There is no required formula for writing the lead section, but I always try to incorporate the linked names of both the teams and the universities to properly identify the parties for non-sports fans. The bolded text should reflect the article title -- I've included the bolded title to which I think it should be moved when this AfD is closed. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
• You will need a source to be able to say this "is arguably the fiercest rivalry in women's college basketball". The citation doesn't link to an article. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:17, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• @SusanLesch: I agree, Susan: opinion statements should always be sourced. I was trying to preserve as much of the substance of the original as possible; if the opinion statement cannot be sourced, whack it. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:26, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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